Aqui en mi ignoracia.. apesar que se ve como buena arma.. me parece que los auto propulsados y de carga automatica seria mejor no se si la BAE tendra uno como el archer
Con unos soldados ocultos con una M60 todos esos artilleros son baja , no me gusta , no es un ATP es un remolcado , mil veces mejor el APU SBT que eso , lo que se necesita es obuses autopropulsados sobre orugas tipo Paladin o sobre ruedas como este que me gusta mucho
Denel Rinoceronte G6
Notese el cargador semiautomatico y los artilleros van adentro debidamente protegidos del fuego enemigo , cosa que no hace el Caesar por ejemplo eso ya lo deberian hacer descartable.
Si dependiera de mi eligiria a ojos cerrados el BAE M-109 Paladin esto no es un obus , es EL OBUS ATP por excelencia combat proven , cumple todos los requisitos de movilidad , proteccion y automatismo que debe tener un verdadero obus ATP y si salen de lichigos como siempre pues el BNT NORA B52 de lejos supera a todos los demas sobre todo por su cargador automatico que no expone a los artilleros.
estoy de acuerdo contigo el BAE Systems G6 155 52 Rhino es el ideal para Colombia.
ps es parte del portafolio de BAE lo que me estraña que no ofrecieran.
The G6 is a 155mm long-range gun developed and produced by the LIW division of Denel, mounted on a chassis made by Alvis OMC (now part of BAE Systems Land Systems). The G6 is in service with the South African Army (43 systems - GV6 Rhino) and has also been exported to the United Arab Emirates (78 systems - G6 M1A3) and Oman (24 systems).
G6-52 artillery system
Denel completed development of a new artillery system, the G6-52 in March 2003. The system is offered with the Somchem modular charge system (MCS) which can fire the Naschem M2000 Assegai system which includes the V-LAP projectile. With the V-LAP projectile, the system has a range of 67km and a rate of fire of eight rounds a minute. Multiple rounds (up to six) can be fired to simultaneously hit the same target using the ADS (Thales) AS2000 artillery target engagement system. Automated ammunition handling, fuse handling and ammunition inventory reduce crew workload. The G6-52 provides protection against nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) attacks apart from small and medium-calibre weapons.
The G6-52 turret is mounted on a Land Systems OMC 6×6 wheeled vehicle which has an off-road speed of nearly 70km/h and a range of 700km.
Ya que les gustan las ruedas ese seria el obus ideal para los ''gustos'' del EJC , entonces lo ideal seria el BAE M109A6 PIM Paladin
en ese sentido estimado Shogun me gusta un poco mas el upgrade M109L52 .
M109L52
Jointly developed by the Dutch firm RDM and the German firm Rheinmetall, the M109L52 was first revealed in 2002. The main improvement was replacing the M126 series gun with the longer 52-caliber cannon from the PzH 2000, thus the MTLS ammunition of the PzH 2000 can be used. In addition, improvements to the loading system were made. This resulted in an increase of the rate of fire to 9–10 rds/min from the original 3 rds/min, and this high rate of fire can be sustained for up to 2 minutes. A total of 35 rounds can be carried.
con el cañon mas largo igual al de los SBT 155 52 lo que ayuda ha darle mas impulso ha la granada , ademas de una cadencia de disparo mayor a la del A6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M109_howitzer
Big gun: The entire retrofits main feature is a new 52 calibre cannon. The 8.06-metre-long, 60-groove barrel with a chamber volume of 23 litres shares extensive ballistic commonality with the PzH-2000 howitzer and thus is compatible with the same firing table. The 52 calibre cannon is available with an almost new developed rotating revolving or a wedge type breech. The new ordnance can be fired with modern modular propellant charge systems, including a full range of RWM�s developed generation of artillery ammunition such as DM111 (for ranges up to 30.3 km), the DM 642 family (up to 27.1 km) and the DM 652 family (up to 34.5 km) as well as the RH 40 Base-Bleed round (up to 40 km), the new MS-smoke shell DM125 (up to 27.1 km) and the sensor-fused DM702 SMArt 155. The latter will be able to destroy semi-hard and hard targets responsively and precisely under all weather and operational conditions. Because SMArt is so effective, it will reduce the logistical burden as compared to conventional munitions. With its ability to attack targets precisely, it will minimize collateral damage.
Cuando Erich el 22 de julio de 2011 para infodefensa se referia a la modernizacion de las ffmm comentaba sobre el "INTERES" de adquirir el sistema LORA como pieza de artilleria ¿en que paró este "INTERES"?
La invitación a que modelo por modelo, expliquen y justifiques por que escogería uno de ellos y por que no los otros 3.
Hola a todos.
A ver, no se trata de escoger uno y descartar los otros. 2 de los modelos no son Auto-propulsados (M777 y SBS SIAC), pero ya conocemos las bondades de uno de ellos.
En terminos generales, hablamos de Howitzers modernos y que cuentan con sistemas digitalizados y algunos son compatibles para munición guiada por GPS.
Incluso el "patito feo" de estas ofertas, nos entrega una plataforma de última generación con óptimo blindaje.
Ahora, yo sigo leal al HawkEye de105 milímetros, pues me pareció extremadamente interesante, pero igual, ¿Que ha pasado con todos estos procesos? ¿La misma vieja historia del ejercito (ojo EJERCITO) que solo mira y no compra nada cual vitrinero?
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Aqui en mi ignoracia.. apesar que se ve como buena arma.. me parece que los auto propulsados y de carga automatica seria mejor no se si la BAE tendra uno como el archer
Denel Rinoceronte G6
Notese el cargador semiautomatico y los artilleros van adentro debidamente protegidos del fuego enemigo , cosa que no hace el Caesar por ejemplo eso ya lo deberian hacer descartable.
Si dependiera de mi eligiria a ojos cerrados el BAE M-109 Paladin esto no es un obus , es EL OBUS ATP por excelencia combat proven , cumple todos los requisitos de movilidad , proteccion y automatismo que debe tener un verdadero obus ATP y si salen de lichigos como siempre pues el BNT NORA B52 de lejos supera a todos los demas sobre todo por su cargador automatico que no expone a los artilleros.
estoy de acuerdo contigo el BAE Systems G6 155 52 Rhino es el ideal para Colombia.
ps es parte del portafolio de BAE lo que me estraña que no ofrecieran.
The G6 is a 155mm long-range gun developed and produced by the LIW division of Denel, mounted on a chassis made by Alvis OMC (now part of BAE Systems Land Systems). The G6 is in service with the South African Army (43 systems - GV6 Rhino) and has also been exported to the United Arab Emirates (78 systems - G6 M1A3) and Oman (24 systems).
G6-52 artillery system
Denel completed development of a new artillery system, the G6-52 in March 2003. The system is offered with the Somchem modular charge system (MCS) which can fire the Naschem M2000 Assegai system which includes the V-LAP projectile. With the V-LAP projectile, the system has a range of 67km and a rate of fire of eight rounds a minute. Multiple rounds (up to six) can be fired to simultaneously hit the same target using the ADS (Thales) AS2000 artillery target engagement system. Automated ammunition handling, fuse handling and ammunition inventory reduce crew workload. The G6-52 provides protection against nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) attacks apart from small and medium-calibre weapons.
The G6-52 turret is mounted on a Land Systems OMC 6×6 wheeled vehicle which has an off-road speed of nearly 70km/h and a range of 700km.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/g6/
en ese sentido estimado Shogun me gusta un poco mas el upgrade M109L52 .
M109L52
Jointly developed by the Dutch firm RDM and the German firm Rheinmetall, the M109L52 was first revealed in 2002. The main improvement was replacing the M126 series gun with the longer 52-caliber cannon from the PzH 2000, thus the MTLS ammunition of the PzH 2000 can be used. In addition, improvements to the loading system were made. This resulted in an increase of the rate of fire to 9–10 rds/min from the original 3 rds/min, and this high rate of fire can be sustained for up to 2 minutes. A total of 35 rounds can be carried.
con el cañon mas largo igual al de los SBT 155 52 lo que ayuda ha darle mas impulso ha la granada , ademas de una cadencia de disparo mayor a la del A6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M109_howitzer
Modern artillery at low-cost
http://www.dutchdefencepress.com/?p=1410
Big gun: The entire retrofits main feature is a new 52 calibre cannon. The 8.06-metre-long, 60-groove barrel with a chamber volume of 23 litres shares extensive ballistic commonality with the PzH-2000 howitzer and thus is compatible with the same firing table. The 52 calibre cannon is available with an almost new developed rotating revolving or a wedge type breech. The new ordnance can be fired with modern modular propellant charge systems, including a full range of RWM�s developed generation of artillery ammunition such as DM111 (for ranges up to 30.3 km), the DM 642 family (up to 27.1 km) and the DM 652 family (up to 34.5 km) as well as the RH 40 Base-Bleed round (up to 40 km), the new MS-smoke shell DM125 (up to 27.1 km) and the sensor-fused DM702 SMArt 155. The latter will be able to destroy semi-hard and hard targets responsively and precisely under all weather and operational conditions. Because SMArt is so effective, it will reduce the logistical burden as compared to conventional munitions. With its ability to attack targets precisely, it will minimize collateral damage.
muy buen articulo
http://www.dutchdefencepress.com/?p=1410
Saludos Cordiales
http://www.infodefensa.com/?noticia=programas-de-adquisicion-y-modernizacion-de-las-fuerzas-armadas-de-colombia
Hola a todos.
A ver, no se trata de escoger uno y descartar los otros. 2 de los modelos no son Auto-propulsados (M777 y SBS SIAC), pero ya conocemos las bondades de uno de ellos.
En terminos generales, hablamos de Howitzers modernos y que cuentan con sistemas digitalizados y algunos son compatibles para munición guiada por GPS.
Incluso el "patito feo" de estas ofertas, nos entrega una plataforma de última generación con óptimo blindaje.
VTI Nora B-52
Auf Wiedersehen.
Esa imagen parece editada con fotochop jajajjajajaja
http://tecnologamilitar.blogspot.com/2013/09/brasil-misil-tactico-de-crucero-mtc-300.html
Saludos
Ahora, yo sigo leal al HawkEye de105 milímetros, pues me pareció extremadamente interesante, pero igual, ¿Que ha pasado con todos estos procesos? ¿La misma vieja historia del ejercito (ojo EJERCITO) que solo mira y no compra nada cual vitrinero?
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